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Topic: Utah Numerical Scoring - cheat sheet
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Ted Todd
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posted 11-10-2006 10:48 PM
 
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Ted Todd
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posted 11-10-2006 10:49 PM
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Ted Todd
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posted 11-10-2006 10:52 PM
Barry and Gang,Sorry for the wasted space! I WAS whooped! Ted [This message has been edited by Ted Todd (edited 11-11-2006).] IP: Logged |
Mad Dog
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posted 11-10-2006 10:55 PM
Barry,
I would like to someday see what the OSS ratios will do with the Utah Tecnique. I think using the OSS ratios will draw out more data and using the Utah Techniqu will standardize the testing procedure. I am going to be working on something in the future with one of Dr. Kircher's students to look towards this and towards the RLL tool. I am glad to hear what I am doing mirrors what you are doing in respiration. I keep the OSS ratios next to the screen and use 10 second fixed intervals as well. I use a calculator and zip right through them in between charts. Sound familiar? Thanks for helping me.IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 11-10-2006 11:21 PM
Congrats Ted! Is he spoiled yet?Mark, The question came up here before, but how did John Kircher arrive at 10 seconds being optimal? I thought it was arbitrary, but Don said it wasn't. DoDPI has new RLL scoring criteria, and they don't stick to a fixed, 10 second window, which, intuitively, seems better as it can capture more of a reaction - especially if delayed - but we'll have to wait and see. IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 11-11-2006 11:33 AM
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Lieguy
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posted 11-27-2006 10:33 PM
Hi everybody;At the risk of wading into this scientific debate on Matte vs. Utah, let me express a "real world" concern I have with the Matte system. I spend most of my pre-test interview attempting to convince people that I will absolutely know if they are lying or telling the truth. The last thing I want to do is to even interject the possibility of an error being made on the test. Whether it's fear or hope of an error, I don't like suggesting that an error will be made in the ensuing test. I think that in the pursuit of achieving testing perfection, we may be overlooking the real goal here. Whether it's in the pre-test, the test or the post-test, our goal is to obtain the truth...period. I have a problem with using language (or a question) which gives an examinee the psychological escape of an error being made in the test. Just my humble 2 cents worth  ) Chip Morgan IP: Logged |
rnelson
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posted 11-27-2006 11:58 PM
Chip,You should hear Gordon Barland talk about this if you get a chance. At the recent Utah Polygraph Association seminar he talked about, among other things, the idea that the test may depend a bit on uncertainty (not his words). For example, a deceptive person who is completely convinced the test is 100 percent accurate may "give up" psychologically, and fail to react. Its a hypotheses, but its worth considering. I know Gordon monitors this board a bit, perhaps he could elaborate more clearly. Barry, quote:
The question came up here before, but how did John Kircher arrive at 10 seconds being optimal? I thought it was arbitrary, but Don said it wasn't. DoDPI has new RLL scoring criteria, and they don't stick to a fixed, 10 second window, which, intuitively, seems better as it can capture more of a reaction - especially if delayed - but we'll have to wait and see.
Look in Kircher and Raskins chapter in Kleiner's book and you'll see a frustratingly brief reference to the sum of squared differences of successive respiration cycles, when they describe as not contingent on a (more or less) arbitrary x-axis metric. Perhaps if I provoke Shawn some more, he could prod Kircher for some details...
Peace,
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